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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts eight Ballantine and prepared

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ahead of paradigm is shifted into booths

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question and now shattered reality well

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here we are again firoozeh and I guess

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you'd like to sleep the date absolutely

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today is September 12 2017 and we are

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back for our 54th show after a few weeks

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break for the summertime and Eclipse

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viewing right right and so I went down

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to view the Eclipse did you actually see

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there did a cloud over it was just at

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the it clouded over and and but I did

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see a great deal of it I saw it got dark

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I saw the planet Venus which was there I

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heard those insects come out in the

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semi-darkness and all around the horizon

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you could see a little bit of light but

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the the sky above was completely dark

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and then the cloud moved because it

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wasn't very thick and it moved away so I

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saw most of the eclipse but like a mile

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and a half away

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they had no cloud mmm yes yeah and I

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also went to see the Serpent Mound out

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in Ohio built by the mound builder

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civilization which was fascinating too

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but no time for that right now but was

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no we have today a wonderful guest and

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our guest is dr. Roger Nelson who is a

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PhD he was the coordinator of research

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at the Princeton engineering anomalies

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research laboratory

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pair lab as many people know it at

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Princeton University from 1980 to 2002

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and he has directed the global

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consciousness project the GCP since its

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inception in 1997 his interests lie in

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the areas of psychology physics

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philosophy and the arts and he has been

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given opportunities to collaborate with

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creative interdisciplinary teams at pear

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and elsewhere developing ways to study

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consciousness and intention so he's

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right up our alley with that

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consciousness and intention Roger's work

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integrates science and spirituality

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including research that is directly

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focused on numinous communal experience

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building on years of laboratory

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experiments Roger began using random

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event generator technology in the field

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to study the effects of special states

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of group consciousness

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this led naturally to the GCP which is

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designed to register indications of a

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coalescing global consciousness

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responding to major world events such as

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9/11 the beginnings of war or New Year's

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interpretations suggest that we may be

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looking at some form of consciousness

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field though we don't have a full

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explanation this frontier research

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provides evidence of interconnection and

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interaction of our minds with the

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environment it is consonant with ancient

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and modern ideas about a nascent greater

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consciousness and now dr. Roger Nelson

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welcome to shattered reality podcast

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hello thank you for having me on thank

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you for taking the time to be here with

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us it is really quite an interesting

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resume and I'm sure you're very busy

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person so we really appreciate your

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being here today we do and to start off

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with I wonder if you could tell us a

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about your earlier self like we all know

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not our listenership has people who are

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in the fields of us following

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consciousness and other anomalous edge

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science stuff but not everybody knows

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about the pair lab though we did have

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Brenda done on a few weeks ago but what

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we don't know even people who know about

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you and the pair lab and the global

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consciousness project they don't know

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where you came from to start with the

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pair lab prior to 1980 as is the case

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theory but I did I hear is I mean I was

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a curious kid and there were enormous ly

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interesting things that I would get

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window but I couldn't really learn very

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much about them because I would grew up

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in small town in Nebraska and things

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like yoga and Buddhism and

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parapsychology for heaven's sakes or

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UFOs none of those things had much other

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representation there so I gradually

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found my way into these areas by going

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to the library and looking for one thing

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and finding another and until eventually

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I my curiosity was piqued so much that I

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gathered some of my friends to do

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experiments what we called

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parapsychology we did ESP experiments

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that is we asked people to try to guess

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which card is coming up next or what

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card would be in the middle of a stack

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and and so forth and it turned out that

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we we got results from those experiments

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which were exactly the right kind of

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thing by that I mean there was nothing

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so earth-shaking but it was always a

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little bit different from what should

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happen if there isn't any such thing as

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yes P so in other words we got results

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of like this I on just who were read

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about in the book also got and that

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probably settled me into the pad which

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had lots of twists and turns where I

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ultimately had the opportunity to dig in

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and do my own very careful scientific

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research along with a bunch of really

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bright people in Princeton that's that's

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very very cool now you say that you got

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some results that were a reasonable

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amount of I guess we say standard

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deviation from the the flatline right or

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as you guys put it the random walk it's

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not what you say Yeah right

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experiments that we had at the pear lab

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kind of random source we also did what

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was called remote perception or remote

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viewing experiments but all of the all

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the machine oriented or mind machine

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interaction experiments had some kind of

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random source and what a random source

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does is unpredictable normally and

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nature or there the heads or tails

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quality of the next step can be best or

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predicted so what we did was set up

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experiments with a really high quality

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random sources a lot of different kinds

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things like pendulums and water

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fountains and beautiful optical displays

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and and so forth along with classical

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and in all cases we ask people to try to

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change that system so there it was it

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didn't become predictable in the sense

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that they would get higher numbers if

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that's what they were trying to do if

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they were trying for low numbers than we

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would expect and we did find that those

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truly high-quality random sources became

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a little bit less random apparently

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who are the people that you used as test

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subjects we did get those at random as

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to your choosing them actually what we

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the way we describe our what we called

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operator pool subject were people who

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be interested enough to discover that we

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were there but we didn't look for people

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who claimed any special powers mm-hm and

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finding out how common is the ability to

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population so we wanted regular people

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did have down there one of our previous

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previous guests previous to yourself and

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Brenda done and that was Angela Thompson

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Smith who actually found out that she

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was quite psychic I suspect is that the

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case well we don't we never did talk

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very much about the performance of

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individuals but Angela did do none of

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herself if I tell a little story of an

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after doing some of these experiments

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she said she was looking at this random

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number generator and trying to get high

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numbers or low numbers and we're trying

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to let it just do baselines which was in

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other words let it be so

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she wasn't having any success she tried

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and she tried different ways and she

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thought and she you know concentrated

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and so forth and she's finally she said

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doggone it and at that point she began

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to get the kind of result she was

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expecting and desiring so in other words

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she learned how to get out of the way

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extremely important in these kinds of

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experiments we used to say grunting and

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straining isn't what works what works is

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to allow this interconnection the

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connection between myself and the

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machine to happen okay

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so just at this point we had as I had

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mentioned somebody who wrote me a very

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interested letter somebody who may have

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met you I think he didn't meet you back

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in the past not a significant meeting I

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don't think but he was very interested

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in the subject matter and generally goes

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his name is Bob paddock and he was under

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the impression for one thing that you

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were all using radioactive decay and I

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explained to him that you were using

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electron tunneling do you want to

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briefly and I don't want to get way off

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the the track in very technical stuff

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but maybe you want to tell us a little

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bit about electron tunneling versus

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versus decay of radioactive matter to

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generate random numbers or events right

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that's two different technologies for

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creating true random number sequences

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radioactive decay just has a counter

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Geiger counter counting noting the the

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ticks and he uses that breakdown of

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atomic particles to which is a truly

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random process and you're right we never

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did use random sources instead we use

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diodes and some other technology but the

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diodes are basically a switch which is

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not designed to allow electrons to flow

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direction and our circuits were set up

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to push electrons against the barrier of

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the switch where they and they should

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not have you know they shouldn't be able

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to get through the barrier but because

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of this quantum level process called

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electron tunneling some electrons appear

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on the other side of the barrier and

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they create a tiny voltage which

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fluctuates randomly that is what we

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sample and turn into ones and zeros for

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our random sequence so it's a very

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that's it just as radioactivity is a

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completely unpredictable quantum process

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which produces truly random numbers they

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qualify as unpredictable very good but I

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think the point of all this research on

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yours was to lead you more deeply into

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global consciousness yeah and I think

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that is that your main interest now at

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this time thank you

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well the global consciousness project

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came came after the two earlier stages

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one of them that we've been talking

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about machines in the laboratory and

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people intentionally trying to change

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their behavior the second stage was what

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we called field research or field or EEG

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research random number generator

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research where we

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you would take a very you know a very

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miniaturized version of this electronic

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random number generator the field with a

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computer that could collect the data put

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in files where we could then later do an

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analysis and protocol there was to go to

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someplace like fabulously engaging

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musical conference concert or perhaps a

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meeting of people who are going to be

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doing something really creative or a

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ritual or ceremony of some kind the idea

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was that if people come together and

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become a kind of group forgetting about

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their individual qualities and interests

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and instead becoming literally a a

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component in a group consciousness then

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we would expect to see changes in the

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random sequence more or less as if there

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were an intention in this case it would

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be just attention or even a

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consciousness field that was generated

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by the group which would include the

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random number generator almost as if it

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were a member of the group and it too

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could partake in this kind of group

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coherent group consciousness and that

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led to the third stage which was this

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world spanning network of random number

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generators placed all over the world

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hosted by people who are interested

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enough to just run a computer

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continuously and with software designed

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to send us on a regular basis the data

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which formed a continuous stream of data

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from what should be random and was

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basically most of the time random from

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60 or 70 places around the world so

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that's the technology and then the

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question yeah consciousness part of this

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was a little bit like what we asked for

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the group consciousness if there is an

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event in the world where if people

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decide from within their own motivations

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to come to

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in a kind of coherent way if there's a

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terrible tragedy that engages millions

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of people around the world in compassion

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sympathy or maybe other emotion we would

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predict that they just has happened in

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our field experiments with smaller

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groups that this engagement of large

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numbers of people in a coherent

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synchronised kind of emotional state

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that would gather in and somehow include

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our network of random number generators

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which we would predict then would show

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changes from random and indeed that's

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what we found repeatedly over almost 20

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years now well ask you one question

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relating to 911 since that has just

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happened our anniversary of 911 so to

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speak to me the day before 9/11 I I had

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some indication that something was going

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on and one thing that happens to me

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personally is before often before

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there's a big tragedy everything seems

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to be very quiet it's like the there's a

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certain level of noise inside my head

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that seems to flatten out and go dull

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now I'm not claiming anything on this

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you know I'm not trying to put myself

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out there as claiming something but I

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understand that sometimes the the the

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random number generators have a

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precognitive aspect to it what at what

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level do you notice this before a

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tragedy and would you put out a

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notification if it was if things

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suddenly went wazzle let's say you know

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really way off the standard deviation

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would you would you make a statement

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it's a good question and a fair one that

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many people have asked especially

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inspired by the apparent change in the

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data in on 911 some four or five hours

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before the first plane hit

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we don't have a kind of protocol for

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looking at or looking for major changes

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before events and so we actually don't

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do that if we did look for spikes as

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people usually refer to that and we

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found one I wouldn't know what to

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announce so if you can if you think

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about this amazingly complex world we

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live in there's you know this eight

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million eight billion people and how

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many possible events involving their

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consciousness every minute of every day

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so we really just wouldn't know what a

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spike might portend and so we don't try

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to make any predictions like that our

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work is always you know the analytical

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work and attempts to understand what's

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going on is always retrospective in the

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sense that we make a prediction before

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we know anything about the data we make

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a prediction that because of this event

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that causes a kind of synchronous

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coherent consciousness we think the data

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will change and then we after having

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stable made a stable identifiable

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predictions specifying the beginning

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time and the ending time and what we're

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going to do for analysis only then do we

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look at the data and only that way can

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we actually get interpretable statistics

401
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it's a it's a thought that occurs to

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lots of people and I wish we could

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identify what you know identify a spike

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and and warn people or possibly we'd

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just not make an announcement that

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there's going to be a great celebration

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pretty soon and that will change the

408
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data or has already changed the data so

409
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I'm sorry we we can't do that it just

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isn't in the nature of the technology

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even though it may have some kind of

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response to you

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before the event happens well and then -

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I mean even let's say if you could that

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would be quite a responsibility you

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would have to uh you know possibly put

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people in a panic and cause a lot of

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problems that way - I think if I didn't

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even know what it was they were supposed

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to or where no I I certainly agree with

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that that it would be irresponsible to

422
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put out a panic call I just after 9/11

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when the word got out that we did have

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really clear change in the data before

425
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the event quite a number of

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entrepreneurs immediately started

427
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inventing terrorism detectors okay I did

428
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the best I could to disabuse people of

429
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the motion I would say that you do what

430
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used to be called pure science and one

431
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of the downfalls if anything of that is

432
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that you hardly ever made any money at

433
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it and but it's interesting that as soon

434
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as people think that they can use it

435
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suddenly there's a lot of interest in

436
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developing that field but well you know

437
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there there are very definite uses for

438
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it yes and not not that they would

439
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necessarily lead to making a lot of

440
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money but the fact that we are

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interconnected which i think is

442
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demonstrated without question and this

443
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is not just my work but other related

444
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and similar kinds of work we are

445
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connected in ways that we don't

446
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understand in fact we don't even

447
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perceive them for the most part some

448
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sensitive people realize that we're all

449
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you know there's a kind of deep lying

450
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subconscious or unconscious strand of

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connection that binds us all together we

452
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don't if we I'm personally convinced and

453
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this is what I do when I'm giving talks

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and various places around the world I

455
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try to persuade people to look at the

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data

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possibility that there is something

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about ourselves that we don't really

459
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know very much about think deeply about

460
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the implications though which are along

461
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the lines that the same things the wise

462
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ones in every culture have always said

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we are one we are it's an illusion we're

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separated and that we you know that this

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the idea that we should you know live as

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if we were isolated beings you know all

467
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of that leads to a kind of application

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we need to grow up a new way we need to

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do it rather quickly on this planet

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because we're destructive because of our

471
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immense creativity and capability and

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are up to this point fairly lacking

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social comprehension

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so we where our powers are being

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misapplied and they could it could be an

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easy switch to make no people can become

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extremely rich and powerful by doing

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good things and constructive things

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don't have we don't have to knock it all

480
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down so rant over but I think in other

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words there is very important practical

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value but a lot of people that haven't

483
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even studied it scientifically just sort

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of come by it by second nature I mean

485
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you have all the propaganda specialist

486
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of world war two yeah Madison Avenue

487
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sports people certainly recognize home

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team advantage so you know at the which

489
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what you're proving has already been

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recognized done scientifically by people

491
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and as you point out usually not for

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good things the people that try to do it

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for good like the various religions of

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the world tend to get I I think usurped

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by people who then turn the religion

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into political motivation so it is a I

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don't understand what this this whole

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path to destruction is about

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well is mostly greed I would just like

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to ask about a little bit about the

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comparison to animals because we're all

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animal lovers on this side and I think

503
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that that you and your lovely wife also

504
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enjoy animal companionship and a lot of

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herd animals and birds and so forth seem

506
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to have some kind of install it instinct

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but it is an ESP of sorts going on

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between them right yeah that that seems

509
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to guide the flocks of birds or

510
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certainly insects and some herd animals

511
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to behave as they do so is the

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application of the GCP global

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consciousness project does that seek to

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in any way see you know bolster that

515
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hey I think you know I got a little bit

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distracted because I saw this I think it

517
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was just a local aphoristic kind of

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quote says dogs don't have egos that's

519
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not true dogs have egos but I thought

520
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the I took the meaning of it being

521
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something like they therefore can kind

522
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of like accept what's going on dogs

523
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definitely have a sense of self because

524
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if you have ten dogs and you call out

525
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Jobrani come here that brownie goes

526
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there the other night look at you and go

527
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now we're not brownie we're not coming

528
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over there so they have a sense of that

529
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sense of self is not the same thing as

530
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an ego oh you think oh that I think is

531
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referred to there is one where it's all

532
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me I have mine first

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[Music]

534
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you haven't owned [\h__\h] no I think they

535
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do to some extent I can't start those

536
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cats do they have an idea of like which

537
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I'd like the order of who's in charge

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dogs you know I think that some I think

539
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listening to Eckhart Tolle

540
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on the subject of dogs is rather

541
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interesting because he does speak about

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how some dogs get kind of very

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domesticated and they get to I have a

544
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friend who's got a miniature Doberman

545
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pincer and this dog baby bee she likes

546
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to get dressed up she likes her clothes

547
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yeah I mean it's just really bizarre but

548
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in something in a sense I mean and she's

549
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adorable and my friend is great however

550
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,520
but it's something that humans like do

551
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to dogs I would say I don't think in the

552
00:30:10,480 --> 00:29:56,130
wild the baby bee would be wearing you

553
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:13,639
tangent but I brought up I would

554
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:18,179
suggested that our ego is given over

555
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:28,470
into the dog I mean maybe be wouldn't be

556
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:32,850
wearing her Halloween costume in any

557
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:35,220
case I've as a shout out to you Louise

558
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:38,490
just in case you're listening in on that

559
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,590
we did mention your favorite baby bee

560
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:43,919
but back to the primate back back to the

561
00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:46,590
back to our our stuff here I wanted to

562
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:49,350
talk a little bit about something that

563
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:52,380
I've noticed and it may have a

564
00:31:02,240 --> 00:30:57,590
relationship to the effect that you see

565
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,250
with the random event generators now um

566
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:04,620
I studied quite a bit of remote viewing

567
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:07,830
for better or worse I found it helped my

568
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:13,740
my sigh aspects to grow and even though

569
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,690
because it requires a couple of people

570
00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:17,640
to do it I don't do it on an everyday

571
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:19,920
basis I enjoy going to those type of

572
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:23,700
classes now one thing over the course of

573
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:25,350
time and I've met a whole bunch of

574
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:27,570
different former government remote

575
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:31,290
viewers and it's something that they

576
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:33,750
disagree on entirely because I kind of

577
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:35,850
take them by surprise sometimes and I

578
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,500
said hey how about remote influencing

579
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:43,440
and you know Stephen Prouty and you know

580
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:46,110
he has studied remote influencing how do

581
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:50,670
you think that that whole idea relates

582
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:52,830
to what you're doing first of all and

583
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:55,950
secondly my I found it interesting that

584
00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:58,650
different remote viewers who know each

585
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:00,570
other lots of them

586
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,990
I get very different answers oh no we

587
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:06,360
would never do remote influencing no no

588
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:09,740
the government would never do that no -

589
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,870
well I don't know I didn't do it I don't

590
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,940
know what the government might do I have

591
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:17,460
no idea what they might have in mind -

592
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:21,720
oh yeah we did that I think they call it

593
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,820
propaganda well I can't speak for the

594
00:32:28,910 --> 00:32:25,980
government no I know but I can speak to

595
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:28,920
the science and yes please what we're

596
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:32,760
talking about with this random event

597
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:35,190
number random number generator random

598
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:37,350
the Ben generator research and any other

599
00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:41,760
kind of so-called PK is some kind of

600
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:44,280
remote influence I mean what that

601
00:32:48,770 --> 00:32:46,650
literally means is I'm not touching it

602
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:48,780
I'm not pushing it with a stick it's

603
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:51,090
changing because I think about it and

604
00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:52,920
then because of some kind of mental

605
00:32:59,270 --> 00:32:56,160
field at least that's the interpretation

606
00:33:02,150 --> 00:32:59,280
that I personally like and there are

607
00:33:03,770 --> 00:33:02,160
other ones other you know different

608
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:03,780
theories about how these kind of thing

609
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:07,380
kinds of things work but they were but

610
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:11,420
the global consciousness network has

611
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:14,160
devices they're spread around the world

612
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:15,480
as I mentioned before and they're

613
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:17,490
separated by thousands and thousands of

614
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:21,570
kilometers or miles and they become

615
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,570
correlate appearing a an event where

616
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,080
which is defined by it being powerfully

617
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:31,080
engaging from large numbers millions of

618
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:34,290
people and so what's going on there is

619
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:37,770
that this engagement this consciousness

620
00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:39,720
state on the part of a large number of

621
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:42,680
people is present in the world and now

622
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:45,660
remote that remote locations remote from

623
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:47,970
each other remote from whatever might be

624
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:49,950
causing the event in the first place

625
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:53,580
well that by thousands of kilometers

626
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:55,830
something happens some connection is

627
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:58,770
made so we're talking about remote

628
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:03,200
influencing there is actually a very

629
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:05,490
literature of attempting remote

630
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:10,170
influencing on other organic beings or

631
00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:12,390
other humans is that literature is

632
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:16,340
pretty small but it exists and it's a

633
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:20,370
very persuasive to the possibility in

634
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:23,610
other words it may be they the people in

635
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:25,950
the government remote viewing programs

636
00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:28,170
don't do it but that doesn't mean they

637
00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:36,150
could not do it the research answer for

638
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:38,340
that and of course you can't speak the

639
00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:39,930
government but I thought that the

640
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:42,180
various answers that I got from the

641
00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:44,070
various different people was rather

642
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:48,150
amusing and I was wondering to go

643
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,260
further with the animal stuff if you had

644
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:53,940
said I had asked you privately if you

645
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,650
ever tested any effects that the animals

646
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:00,420
might have if you brought it to a

647
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:04,260
situation like a dog run or an abattoir

648
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,530
on the other end of the spectrum at what

649
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:09,540
you know how dogs they get all excited

650
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,570
and happy when they go to a multiple dog

651
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:14,280
run and they meet their friends and all

652
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:16,950
that kind of thing versus some place

653
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:19,230
where animals were being killed and I

654
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:22,680
don't like to get into the the kind of

655
00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:25,050
morbid idea but I just wondered if if

656
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:27,360
the animals themselves what you think

657
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:29,550
about that idea would they have an

658
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,270
effect on the random number generator I

659
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,680
don't know any reason why not I think

660
00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:35,599
there

661
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:37,950
interconnected in the same way we are

662
00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:43,050
they may not you know be component parts

663
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:47,580
in a aware thoughtful we're self

664
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:51,180
reflective kind of consciousness which I

665
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:53,970
imagine that we could in principle have

666
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:58,140
become be as human beings but frankly I

667
00:36:05,480 --> 00:35:59,460
think there isn't a whole lot of

668
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,490
separation from humans to animals in any

669
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:07,440
part of the spectrum or even to plants

670
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:10,230
and when you if you press me I'll even

671
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:12,060
say why not rocks

672
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:14,670
I think consciousness is all pervasive

673
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:18,180
and that we are you know kind of missing

674
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:22,230
the boat if we if we don't acknowledge

675
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:24,930
that I think we probably Altima will

676
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:27,810
understand and I don't mean any time in

677
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:30,030
the next your decades it's more like

678
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:35,040
centuries or if we ever become civilized

679
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,520
it could happen fast but we will

680
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:41,040
eventually understand that the universe

681
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:44,070
is conscious that it's there is

682
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,460
consciousness Oh everywhere and probably

683
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:50,640
it is the source of everything in the

684
00:36:56,859 --> 00:36:53,730
universe of course it's not the same

685
00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:56,869
kind of consciousness as you and I are

686
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:00,740
you know self perceiving we're it's a

687
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:03,660
it's a it's a different order it's a

688
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:14,570
I agree largely agree I would take that

689
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:18,710
one step forward Roger and ask you about

690
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:22,440
the idea that I think about almost every

691
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:26,220
day I'm that crazy that I think every

692
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:29,780
day about the small amount of the

693
00:37:36,579 --> 00:37:32,810
electromagnetic spectrum which we as

694
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:36,589
humans with our eyes and ears etc

695
00:37:44,359 --> 00:37:40,980
actually see or hear the the percentage

696
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:44,369
that we are able to to grasp with our

697
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,859
senses is like one percent less than one

698
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:48,720
percent I mean I don't know the current

699
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:49,170
number

700
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:53,190
on that so my question to you would be

701
00:37:58,579 --> 00:37:56,369
have you found places it's a dual

702
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,589
question have you found places on the

703
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,200
surface of the earth where random number

704
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:03,480
generators are placed for your global

705
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:04,619
consciousness project

706
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:08,670
have you found places where there's an

707
00:38:18,319 --> 00:38:14,040
anomalous readings for that is specific

708
00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:18,329
to the place no I haven't although

709
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,309
there's something very closely related

710
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,339
to that and it is what I think of a

711
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:25,020
sacred place is that's probably about

712
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:26,700
what you have in mind as well

713
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:33,770
those places are perceived by us I think

714
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:36,690
it isn't clear to me in fact I tried to

715
00:38:41,859 --> 00:38:38,250
figure this out when I went to Egypt

716
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:41,869
with a bunch of seekers and a random

717
00:38:46,789 --> 00:38:45,089
number generator amazing experiences

718
00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:46,799
there when the questions I had in mind

719
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:51,030
was about sacred places are they there

720
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,190
and we discover them or do we create

721
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:55,980
them by bringing our consciousness and

722
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,700
our spiritual being into those places so

723
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:00,960
that's not a question that you can

724
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:04,380
actually answer and ultimately I think

725
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:07,530
it's instead the description of where we

726
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:13,950
are so but to answer your question in a

727
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:16,950
way what I found I have found in my

728
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:20,700
research is is that the consciousness is

729
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,530
what it's really about and the

730
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,660
consciousness it becomes a little

731
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:27,359
different for either of that you know no

732
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:28,890
matter from which direction you approach

733
00:39:35,470 --> 00:39:31,530
it consciousness is different in a

734
00:39:37,789 --> 00:39:35,480
sacred space or a sacred place and that

735
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:37,799
difference is the kind of thing which

736
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:40,410
shows up in the data from our random

737
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:44,700
number generators you know I I think

738
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:48,720
that's it's something that no nobody has

739
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:50,430
written much about but which I'm

740
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:54,660
personally convinced is quite and not

741
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:58,440
only true but rather important so well

742
00:40:02,809 --> 00:40:01,980
but to further address the real question

743
00:40:05,929 --> 00:40:02,819
you're asking

744
00:40:07,939 --> 00:40:05,939
the sacred place affects us and we in

745
00:40:10,189 --> 00:40:07,949
turn because of the consciousness

746
00:40:12,049 --> 00:40:10,199
connection affect the random number

747
00:40:14,929 --> 00:40:12,059
generator so it isn't the sacred space

748
00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:14,939
itself that does anything for the random

749
00:40:27,469 --> 00:40:20,660
numbers it's it's us I'm reminded of

750
00:40:29,299 --> 00:40:27,479
what's called local sidereal time on the

751
00:40:31,999 --> 00:40:29,309
performance in remote viewing

752
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:32,009
experiments and it's not a hundred

753
00:40:38,449 --> 00:40:35,249
percent clear that this has been

754
00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:38,459
sufficiently replicated but is probably

755
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:41,449
it's really good data to begin with

756
00:40:52,459 --> 00:40:47,609
people become more effective in whatever

757
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:52,469
the side task is at a certain time in

758
00:40:58,209 --> 00:40:56,640
the local sidereal day namely something

759
00:41:02,299 --> 00:40:58,219
like 1300 hours

760
00:41:07,909 --> 00:41:02,309
whereas they become weakest at their

761
00:41:10,729 --> 00:41:07,919
task in the local sidereal night and

762
00:41:15,099 --> 00:41:10,739
again in a similar kind of thing that

763
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:15,109
cosmic fluctuations things like

764
00:41:21,859 --> 00:41:18,329
electromagnetic geomagnetic fluctuation

765
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:21,869
also affects people such that they do

766
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:26,329
better at their side tasks and when the

767
00:41:33,289 --> 00:41:31,079
geomagnetic weather is called so the

768
00:41:35,959 --> 00:41:33,299
geomagnetic weather doesn't affect the

769
00:41:40,189 --> 00:41:35,969
random number generator FEX the person

770
00:41:43,329 --> 00:41:40,199
in that interim shows up in a different

771
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:43,339
performance with the in the experiment

772
00:41:49,279 --> 00:41:47,099
yes I believe Stephen Schwartz did a lot

773
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,289
of work with the psy.d real-time am I

774
00:41:53,989 --> 00:41:51,599
right about that it's actually James

775
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:53,999
Spottiswoode has done most of that James

776
00:41:59,299 --> 00:41:57,150
modest would yeah but you know just to

777
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,309
interject here I know a lot of people

778
00:42:03,499 --> 00:42:01,619
that listen to this podcast are

779
00:42:05,749 --> 00:42:03,509
interested in the subject would love to

780
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:05,759
become part of your experiment is there

781
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:08,609
some way that they can set up a random

782
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:12,359
generator and sort of connect with you

783
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:16,560
very through various software well it's

784
00:42:22,610 --> 00:42:19,950
I'm actually not adding to the network

785
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:22,620
in that case it's kind of winding down

786
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:28,130
but a couple of things one the database

787
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,050
is always publicly available so if

788
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:34,020
anybody wants to you know learn more

789
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,130
about it or stir that pot it's using you

790
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,040
know cleaning protocols and statistical

791
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:43,740
analysis and what that's that's one way

792
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:46,580
to participate and I'm always happy when

793
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,990
excuse me when somebody does that and

794
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:51,000
sends me their results they will have

795
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:53,400
asked a question I didn't ask and it's

796
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:54,780
it's nice

797
00:43:02,000 --> 00:42:56,730
well then there's another thing there's

798
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,010
a an app which is not yet available but

799
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,740
will be I hopeful always hopefully

800
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:07,020
within a few months it's called the

801
00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:11,120
consciousness app and it will have the

802
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,230
capability of people doing their own

803
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,720
personal experiments with a random

804
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:17,160
number generator that's actually

805
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,960
hardware and probably pretty good and do

806
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:23,880
you mind if I just think quickly tell

807
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:31,110
people that's good so this consciousness

808
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:35,760
app will be out how does somebody get

809
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:38,430
information about that oh just put

810
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:42,180
consciousness app in Google okay I hope

811
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:46,560
you can look up atom curry adam2 you are

812
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:51,660
why he's the the spearhead mm-hmm in the

813
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:55,140
project then I hope maybe you would let

814
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,970
us know so we could announce it on

815
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,040
shattered reality because you know the

816
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:01,380
people who do listen to this I I would

817
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:04,140
suspect that more than 50% would be

818
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:08,190
interested in that in that app is there

819
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:12,750
any are there any let's say websites

820
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:15,120
that you would like to mention while

821
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:18,750
you're on that you would like to like

822
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:21,450
say put out there for people right well

823
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,250
they're interested in the global

824
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:25,380
consciousness project that the simplest

825
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:29,130
version of the website address is global

826
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:29,910
-

827
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:33,450
mind dot org okay

828
00:44:42,529 --> 00:44:37,380
I think the consciousness app might be

829
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:42,539
consciousness app calm the IC RL website

830
00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:47,640
which brand which Brenda done you know

831
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:51,150
is responsible for and is another one

832
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:53,190
that people might want to look up ions

833
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:55,530
io NS that's Institute of noetic

834
00:45:03,039 --> 00:44:59,880
Sciences is an important place with a

835
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:03,049
lot of huge amount of consciousness

836
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:06,740
connection Dean Radin is there and other

837
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,990
scientists he or our listeners might

838
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:11,880
know oh yes

839
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:14,460
the global conscious the global

840
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:21,180
coherence initiative which is in Boulder

841
00:45:32,059 --> 00:45:24,420
Creek as part of heart math Institute

842
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:32,069
yes a very important place there there

843
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:36,990
lots of European and a couple of or you

844
00:45:42,769 --> 00:45:40,010
know Eastern like Japanese and Chinese

845
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:42,779
kinds of places Google is your friend

846
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:47,160
yeah looking for consciousness or look

847
00:45:51,799 --> 00:45:48,569
for something like global consciousness

848
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:51,809
the first age or so is old just my

849
00:45:59,359 --> 00:45:55,079
project but mmm it quickly gets into

850
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:59,369
other work you're such a great guy to

851
00:46:04,099 --> 00:46:01,770
mention all the other places too you

852
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:04,109
know it shows like a true scientific

853
00:46:12,799 --> 00:46:07,849
interest rather than the kind of

854
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:12,809
competitive situation I wanted to talk a

855
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:16,529
little bit about what your son has done

856
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:20,900
he has called the the network the eg G

857
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:26,390
much of the egg much like an electro

858
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,859
right yeah that's really cool and EEG

859
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:34,079
everybody has heard of that it's an

860
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:36,690
electroencephalogram that it's basically

861
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:40,500
a monitor for the brain attempting to

862
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:42,119
capture something of the brain activity

863
00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:44,020
and maybe interpret

864
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:47,980
as mind or something and then the what

865
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:51,250
my son said he helped put together with

866
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:53,500
the original software architecture

867
00:46:58,770 --> 00:46:56,710
together which is I'll be I'm eternally

868
00:47:01,830 --> 00:46:58,780
grateful to him and others who've been

869
00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:01,840
so instrumental in making this thing go

870
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:05,740
he said you know what you're doing looks

871
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:08,290
a little bit like an EEG for the world

872
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:11,110
and you could think of that as an

873
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:14,610
electoral diagram beautiful beautiful

874
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:18,070
that would you know the acronym for that

875
00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:21,570
would be e GG and so we call these

876
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:23,560
random number generators scattered

877
00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:26,560
around the world we call them eggs and

878
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:28,840
the software that collects the data from

879
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:31,600
from all these outlying stations is

880
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:36,940
called the basket very good there are

881
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:39,640
quite a few other you know a bits and

882
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:43,450
pieces of the project language that come

883
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,940
from that metaphor and an egg of course

884
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:48,880
is a in its own right such an

885
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:51,430
interesting concept a kind of metaphor

886
00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:55,180
for life and the beginning and the

887
00:48:02,040 --> 00:47:59,500
burgeoning and so forth so early on it

888
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:02,050
was easy for me to think of the egg

889
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:03,790
project which we called it at the

890
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,040
beginning helping to birth any new thing

891
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:10,800
which would be a global consciousness

892
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:15,940
well not today I think it needs any help

893
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:18,940
it just needs us to get with these

894
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:21,790
synchronicities are quite amazing in

895
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:24,430
terms of a Brenda done story about the

896
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:26,830
pair lab and how it got to be the pair

897
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:29,050
lab and how she kept seeing pairs

898
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:32,170
everywhere and she was first to sort of

899
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:34,210
agree that that was a good name then so

900
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,280
this is this is sort of similar that

901
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:38,380
there are the synchronicities around it

902
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:42,850
now I was looking at the site and one

903
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:44,830
thing I didn't understand how the

904
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:50,190
mechanism worked was how minh museum

905
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:53,290
music that is on the site that was sort

906
00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:56,070
of generated by the results of certain

907
00:49:05,780 --> 00:48:57,990
times that you went out

908
00:49:08,810 --> 00:49:05,790
to celebrations or when there was a an

909
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:08,820
event that that was recorded on the

910
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:19,580
actually you are touching upon something

911
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:23,510
that I always from the beginning hoped I

912
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:26,910
would myself be able to do or somebody

913
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:29,220
else would find the time and interest

914
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:32,100
view which is to make music directly

915
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:35,880
using the incoming numbers from these

916
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:41,540
random number generators to specify

917
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:47,480
pitches no durations pause length Tambor

918
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:51,470
and quality instrumentation and so forth

919
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:55,619
so if that never happened on the other

920
00:50:03,080 --> 00:49:59,220
hand mmm well actually there there is

921
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:03,090
some music made like that by by the

922
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:06,990
other primary programmer contributor

923
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:09,900
John Walker is a fantastic programmer he

924
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:12,600
created some music that he says sounds a

925
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:15,810
little like John Cage which it does it

926
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:20,090
it's actually and there are some movies

927
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:23,250
they're deep in the website and hard to

928
00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:25,710
find but if you're really interested I

929
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:29,580
can send you a link to them so it plays

930
00:50:38,359 --> 00:50:35,250
this John Cage like movie which changes

931
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:38,369
according to how five-minute blocks of

932
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:44,790
the of the data are looking a friend a

933
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,850
couple of other people made music some

934
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:50,700
I'm sort of directly but others just

935
00:51:03,770 --> 00:50:56,880
using the random numbers data to select

936
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:03,780
from any kind of a thematic cluster of

937
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,450
notes and rhythms and so on and so

938
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,040
that's probably the ones you if you

939
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:10,619
listen to some there's like there was a

940
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:11,880
one called souls

941
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,180
on a page called music HTML there's

942
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:17,460
links to various kinds of things well in

943
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,170
fact that I'm pretty sure there's a link

944
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:22,440
to one of those John Walker John Cage

945
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:25,950
movies they're okay great length

946
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:28,470
we never know nobody ever actually did

947
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:31,560
what I'm hoping might be done the the

948
00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:34,260
vision which is kind of an auditory

949
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:39,320
hallucination still is a kind of

950
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:49,290
slightly unharmonious and occasionally

951
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:53,810
becomes beautifully harmonic as if the

952
00:52:02,990 --> 00:51:58,230
universe the chorus of the entire

953
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:03,000
universe suddenly starts singing

954
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:08,670
beautifully that is reminiscent of what

955
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:12,450
the some of the astronauts had said when

956
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:19,530
the original when when the spaceship for

957
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:21,210
lack of a better word for the moment

958
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:25,910
goes behind the moon and they lose

959
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:29,370
contact with the earth they have said

960
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,780
that they hear this lovely music the

961
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:36,480
sort of a music of the spheres if you

962
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:39,960
will now I have I I don't know the

963
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,080
veracity of that you know I've only only

964
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:45,480
ever met two astronauts and I didn't get

965
00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:47,340
to ask them that question one was Ed

966
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Mitchell but I wondered that sort of

967
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:53,970
sounds like the harmonies that they

968
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,250
might have heard when they go behind the

969
00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:58,020
moon which I always found so fascinating

970
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:02,640
and such a fascinating to what they what

971
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:09,800
has been done in that context is to take

972
00:53:16,940 --> 00:53:13,470
Astrophysical data change it to sound

973
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:16,950
wave frequencies and play that excuse me

974
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,290
I'm sorry but you remind me that the

975
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:25,200
name that I gave this music that never

976
00:53:30,609 --> 00:53:25,650
happened

977
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:30,619
was the music of the noosphere oh right

978
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:35,849
right one of these days um before we

979
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:38,579
before we say goodbye I guess

980
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,020
that there are two things that I wanted

981
00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:45,359
to mention and maybe Kate has something

982
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:48,270
else yeah I'm pretty good right no well

983
00:53:54,769 --> 00:53:50,130
we did have this one question from the

984
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:54,779
gentleman who I had to to make clear

985
00:54:00,680 --> 00:53:58,020
that you were not using previous

986
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,690
radiation the radioactive decay and that

987
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:02,640
you were using this other electronic

988
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,700
tunneling but he had put out the this

989
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:07,440
question and I think you've answered it

990
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:09,750
too a bit but maybe you want to speak

991
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:13,079
directly to him on this he says so what

992
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:16,410
do we do with this information at this

993
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:19,079
point I have no idea there's been over

994
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:22,680
28 years of study and pair accumulated

995
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:25,380
billions of bits of data from the regs

996
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:28,980
and many types of many types and what do

997
00:54:34,269 --> 00:54:30,690
we do

998
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,279
and and he says here and I'm quoting him

999
00:54:39,769 --> 00:54:37,440
however maybe the next time the customer

1000
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:39,779
complains that something was not working

1001
00:54:44,839 --> 00:54:42,390
perhaps we should ask them what they

1002
00:54:49,579 --> 00:54:44,849
were thinking of at the time of the

1003
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:49,589
anomaly you say it this way what were

1004
00:55:00,319 --> 00:54:55,619
you thinking no I hear the question and

1005
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:00,329
I did as best I can and I think I may

1006
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,130
never be able to do it very much better

1007
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:05,220
give the answer that seems to me to be

1008
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:07,529
important this is a tool for learning

1009
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:10,410
more about ourselves about our

1010
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:12,059
capacities about what consciousness

1011
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:18,569
really is and it's a kind of an urgent

1012
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:22,440
urging from from the universe

1013
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:26,640
perhaps sort of indirectly but from

1014
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:31,410
science and from from our you know

1015
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:34,890
personal interest in the way the world

1016
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:39,180
is to just lean back learn as much

1017
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:41,819
as we can and then connect with each

1018
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:46,950
other if that's my interpretation the 28

1019
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:50,220
years of study shows that we are able to

1020
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:53,390
do to touch the world without thoughts

1021
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,099
that probably means we always are

1022
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,440
touching the world with our thoughts but

1023
00:56:01,339 --> 00:55:59,760
we don't know about it

1024
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,349
we're not thoughtful about it and

1025
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:04,020
therefore what the result is a little

1026
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:07,849
chaotic if we as Buckminster once said

1027
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:11,550
buckminster fuller sorry once said in a

1028
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:16,319
slightly different context if we would

1029
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:21,990
organize ourselves we could feed all the

1030
00:56:28,089 --> 00:56:24,390
people on earth very well and in fact

1031
00:56:31,579 --> 00:56:28,099
even more people then now exist on earth

1032
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:31,589
as it is people are starving but it's

1033
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:33,740
because we're not organizing ourselves

1034
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:37,050
we're not in other words acting like the

1035
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,750
potential human that we have we have so

1036
00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:44,760
much potential as human beings and these

1037
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:47,480
kinds of subtle experiments and the

1038
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:50,700
extent of it the outer reaches of what

1039
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:52,410
consciousness what we understand about

1040
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,140
consciousness those the results from

1041
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:00,540
those experiments from the 28 years and

1042
00:57:04,329 --> 00:57:01,970
from the global consciousness project

1043
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:04,339
they're all pointing the same direction

1044
00:57:12,339 --> 00:57:07,980
we are more than we understand we are

1045
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:12,349
and it's it's time it behooves us to

1046
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,490
recognize that and get on with the

1047
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:17,400
business of becoming human beings

1048
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,780
as we have the potential to do I don't

1049
00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:23,339
really think you need to make any

1050
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:26,339
excuses for studying this for 28 years I

1051
00:57:31,339 --> 00:57:29,010
think you did just fine we are increment

1052
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,349
with that and and we are in your debt

1053
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,260
for coming on our humble program

1054
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:36,960
shattered reality podcast and we thank

1055
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:39,720
you very very much for giving us your

1056
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:43,410
time and we hope to hear from you again

1057
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:48,450
and all I can say is what was I for now

1058
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:56,060
I think deeply about it and then we'll

1059
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:58,920
go for it all right thank you again

1060
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:01,380
thank you so much dr. Roger Nelson

1061
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:04,610
global consciousness project yes

1062
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:10,830
everyone okay thank you okay I also want

1063
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:13,050
to thank Bob paddock for submitting some

1064
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:15,300
questions I hope ice I did a good job

1065
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:16,470
with them Bob

1066
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:18,930
if I didn't I'm sorry and we'd like to

1067
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:20,910
hear a lot more from you yeah we'd like

1068
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:23,250
to hear more from all our listeners now

1069
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:28,260
I do have one other thing to talk about

1070
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:32,640
we have a listener who I'm just going to

1071
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:37,470
call mr. a because he is on the other

1072
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:41,340
side of a I'm not on the other side of

1073
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:42,900
the globe he's in England and he's a

1074
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,230
listener and he's an experiencer as far

1075
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:48,000
as I know I've read about some

1076
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:51,120
experiences he's had in the UFO area but

1077
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:52,740
I'm not going to identify him because

1078
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:56,460
we've had a hard time getting our our

1079
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:00,720
emails to reach each other at and a good

1080
00:59:07,070 --> 00:59:03,930
time you think email happens immediately

1081
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:07,080
but in this case it did not only if you

1082
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:09,870
think about it if you think about it

1083
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:14,760
yeah but now this mr. a has a story

1084
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:18,630
about a real life anomaly which occurred

1085
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:23,040
I think sometime last week or maybe a

1086
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,930
little prior to that a week to 10 days

1087
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:26,640
ago but he's going to get back to me

1088
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:28,680
with the exact date which I will mention

1089
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:33,990
on our website and he says that he was

1090
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:39,450
walking by the the the cliffs in England

1091
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:43,110
on the English Channel they were white

1092
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,850
cliffs I don't know if they were the

1093
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:47,040
White Cliffs of Dover or not but he said

1094
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he was walking on khuddam Beach with his

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wife and dog and taking some family

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pictures and he happened to capture this

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anomalous cloud kuden beach is a place

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that people go I assume to bathe and to

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sunbathe and

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to be on the channel on the waterfront

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and he has photos that he took of the

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Seven Sisters sea cliffs from a few

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miles away but he hadn't heard the news

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01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:21,830
of the anomaly until a few days later

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what he saw in his pictures was a cloud

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that came up from behind the cliffs and

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went down over the cliffs now what

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happened

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it burned people's skin and their their

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eyes and he says my photographs may

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indicate that a cloud of gas could have

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arrived either directly downwards from

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01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:49,500
the sky above or perhaps may have

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written risen upward from the cliff tops

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as a chimney shaped cloud resembling a

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rising rocket type plume of exhaust or

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01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,790
gaseous cloud that's the only reason why

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I'm skeptical about as the national

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01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:08,160
media reported that the gas cloud

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suddenly rolled in from the sea before

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instantaneously harming the cliff

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walkers and Beach sunbathers in in my

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01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:21,960
humble opinion it's most certainly a

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01:01:30,290 --> 01:01:25,440
weird and perhaps even suspicious event

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and as far as I know still unexplained

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there is a chance and I'm taking a

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:36,000
suspicious but educated guess here that

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01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:38,850
this cloud of noxious gas might have

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come from say an oil tanker or likewise

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which may have been illegally flushing

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01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,640
or clearing its tanks with chemicals

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:49,980
somewhat offshore and out of sight or

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:52,290
over the horizon but there have been no

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01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,010
such ship seen or reported at that time

1135
01:02:02,660 --> 01:01:59,220
the chances of the poison cloud blowing

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:02,670
in from France about 60 miles distant at

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:04,650
this point of the English Channel are

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:08,570
minimal as our national meteor

1139
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:11,850
meteorological office in Exeter reports

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01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:14,130
that there were only very light winds

1141
01:02:18,350 --> 01:02:16,350
blowing at the time and they were

1142
01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:18,360
blowing from another direction other

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01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:20,369
than France so

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we're going to get some pictures on this

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01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:26,309
and if anybody knows anything more about

1146
01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:30,359
this anomalous event at the seven

1147
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:36,059
sisters at the seven sisters sea cliffs

1148
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:39,359
by kuden Beach and how people were

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01:02:47,539 --> 01:02:44,940
burned there with the gas if anybody

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01:02:50,509 --> 01:02:47,549
else knows anything about it please

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01:02:53,479 --> 01:02:50,519
contact us and we will be showing I

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01:02:57,259 --> 01:02:53,489
believe on our website some of the

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01:02:58,999 --> 01:02:57,269
photos that mr. a took which we owe him

1154
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:59,009
an enormous debt of gratitude as well

1155
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:01,559
for sharing with us absolutely hope to

1156
01:03:05,959 --> 01:03:02,700
hear from all of you that have

1157
01:03:08,539 --> 01:03:05,969
experiences like this be great yes it

1158
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:08,549
really would be I think this is a really

1159
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:10,859
bizarre one because people were hurt you

1160
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,180
know I don't hope to get a lot of of

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01:03:18,019 --> 01:03:16,559
instances of people being hurt but if it

1162
01:03:19,999 --> 01:03:18,029
happens it happens we got to know about

1163
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:20,009
it it does sound like a low-flying

1164
01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:22,170
chemtrail almost or something alone

1165
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:26,369
chemtrail ideal could be could be cake I

1166
01:03:33,319 --> 01:03:30,299
certainly don't say that wouldn't be the

1167
01:03:36,499 --> 01:03:33,329
case coming up on shattered reality

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01:03:39,499 --> 01:03:36,509
podcast we will I have a few other

1169
01:03:43,489 --> 01:03:39,509
listeners are on deck who are interested

1170
01:03:47,989 --> 01:03:43,499
in expressing what they have experienced

1171
01:03:50,749 --> 01:03:47,999
and also I believe all things working

1172
01:03:54,109 --> 01:03:50,759
out well that we will have dr. Irena

1173
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:54,119
Scott who has written a very interesting

1174
01:04:03,229 --> 01:03:58,410
book involving the UFO phenomena at on

1175
01:04:07,729 --> 01:04:03,239
our next podcast we also have a mr.

1176
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:07,739
David Bowie who has written also a book

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01:04:14,769 --> 01:04:12,690
investigating a particular gentleman who

1178
01:04:18,979 --> 01:04:14,779
had a lot of anomalous experiences

1179
01:04:21,259 --> 01:04:18,989
including purported UFO abduction so um

1180
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:21,269
for the next couple of weeks at any rate

1181
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:23,729
we will be in the UFO subject as it

1182
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:25,619
appears now but as you know dear

1183
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:28,410
listeners things sometimes change you

1184
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,319
never know because it's anomalous and we

1185
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:33,660
are OH